New Ceilings Require A New Identity, Behind The Scenes with Danielle Leslie X Jessica Hurley

I am integrating. And
I'm saying what does my voice

sound like? If there was a
superpower, we had a CEO

retreat, and we're talking about
superpowers that we wished for

when we were kids. And I asked
the table, what's one that you

want now as an adult, and mine
was the superpower of

deciphering? Is this my voice?
Or is this someone else's voice?

Is this the ego, which to me
means society, significant other

parents, coaches, peers, like
Whose voice is this? That will

be the superpower. And so since
then, I've been practicing that

muscle. And I realized what
helps is to remove the outside

voices, I'll say, I wouldn't
have gotten to this point.

Without all the coaches and the
investments I made, I wouldn't

have as many lessons to
integrate. And so I want to

honor and thank every single
coach mastermind investment,

they got me to this point. And I
think all of them I think, the

previous version of Dani, who
made those investments. And now

I get to embody all of that, and
ask myself, okay, Whose voice is

this? And what do I want?
Welcome back to Since3000. I'm

Danielle Leslie, and I am so
honored to be sharing the sofa

today with Jessica Hurley, you
are going to meet her in just a

second Jessica producer
extraordinaire, she has produced

the most amazing podcast for the
most amazing people and I'm so

excited to talk to you today.
Can we do a cheers

cheers, the Since3000 Cheers to
all your success, everything

that you've accomplished, and
everything that we've got to

witness. Cheers to you, being
you and giving us all permission

to be ourselves. And for that to
be our brand. I really

appreciate that. Personally, I
appreciate that. And I know your

audience appreciates that. Thank
you.

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So I have to start here. Because
this is like a dream for me. And

this is my full circle moment of
starting a show four and a half

years ago, my own podcast show
with the intention of

interviewing entrepreneurs
because I had two failed

attempts as an entrepreneur. And
when I finally was ready to give

it all up, I was like, You know
what, I just want to start a

show where I interview
incredible entrepreneurs. And

ask them I get their accolades
already know, because I chase

them. I follow them. I love it.
But I want to ask them about the

moment they felt the most stuck.
I want to know about the moment

that they were crying in the
car. I want to know about the

moment where they were on their
knees, they thought they could

not continue. And I want them to
explain how they got through it.

Because those moments seem
inevitable and someone that had

failed multiple times. I was
like, How y'all doing this?

Because I don't understand. And
you were the first course you

were the first digital course I
ever watched. And I was like

this woman is incredible. Oh my
god. So to be sitting on the

couch with you. I'm having my
full circle moment of like,

interviewing the ultimate
entrepreneur, that everyone's

measuring stick for success. So
many women, and I'm interviewing

you so thank you,

thank you for sharing. Oh my
It's been amazing to work with

you. Thank you like so this.
This is amazing. So normally

you're behind the camera and
you're helping guide and so I

love that like, I'm just like
what's gonna happen? It's gonna

be magic.

I hope so. I hope so. There
might be a female there might be

a little nervous because this is
like a big, this is a big full

circle moment for me. Because my
favorite thing behind the camera

is to pretend to be the
audience. I'm like, if someone

is listening, because I am the
ultimate podcast listener, I

love it. I love the art. It's an
art form to me. So to sit behind

the camera and hear all of it
and think what is the audience

thinking how are they perceiving
this? How are they receiving

this and to not sit in this
chair with you? is fun. So we do

Opening you ready?

Let's go. Deep End. 11 feet I
love is that where we are, I

know, I like it. So deep, my
feet can't touch the bottom. So

let's go 3000 feet. So one of my
favorite things about you is

that you are like people don't
understand the level of freedom

in which you operate like you
are playful. You are free

spirited, you live life, to me.
And I say this, in all the ways

you want to see it, you're like
drunk off life. Oh, you be

living. You hear me like you be
living. You be living. It is my

favorite. And I remember reading
this one liner in a book and it

made me think of you instantly
it was like, the more healed

people are the more playful they
are. And so I was like, Man,

that is a high tail sign of the
work that Daniel has done is

because then you stop judging
yours. Like really, it's

ultimately that you stop judging
yourself. Yes. And so I when I

see you in the way you move,
like, there's even times where

you've called me to do things
like dance in public and do

that. I'm like, oh, no, I'm not
ready for that. And it's where I

see that ultimately, you have
completely stopped judging

yourself, which means not, you
know, not completely, we always

have our moments, but that
you've stopped judging yourself,

you've done the work because you
are so playful to the point

where you allow it to inspire
you. And so they also say it's

darkest before the light. So in
order for you to have gotten to

that place of doing the work,
and we will talk about that

you've done so much work. What
was that dark night of the soul

moment? What was that moment
where you were like, life was

good until now. It's like a
before and after it's an

unforgiving moment of ourselves,
like, life was one way in this

moment. And then after this
moment, I decided to change.

What was that moment that
sparked your healing journey?

that's good. It's interesting.
So I have one moment that comes

to mind. And by the way, I love
how you articulated that because

I would say my biggest Achilles
heel has been the self judgment,

I think, only until recently, I
had the language around it. And

then the first iteration of that
language was I'm afraid of what

others will think, until it was
actually my therapist who said,

Are you afraid of what others
will think or afraid of what you

think about your song? I was
like, Oh, you right. Okay. So

you articulated it. So well,
that has been my Achilles heel

and it I do feel like freer and
like I am building that muscle

to just be your I'll just back
up. So it was really like a

series of moments that were dark
for me. One moment that comes to

mind is so I was on this path. I
was in a relationship. I had the

whole thing. We knew what we
were doing. We knew what we were

where we were going, the
business was going and knew

where that was going had pretty
much everything quote, unquote,

figured out. And then that
relationship ended. And it was

like a shakeup. And it was like,
the universe was like, Oh, you

thought you're new? Oh, you bots
you gonna learn today? And it

was like, Oh, we're gonna put
you into this practice of

asking, Who am I? Who am I? Who
am I? So I remember, one

evening, and I was I was
actually doing a trip. And I

love going on journeys. Because
it is what it does is it reaches

things that are there. And they
are beneath the surface. And

they are influencing every
decision we make, how we show up

how we hold back. It's in some
of these journeys. And there was

this one in particular, where I
mean, I saw it and I felt it, I

felt everything that I had been
like, you know, pretending

wasn't there. And so I remember,
the resounding story was you hit

your ceiling, you hit your
ceiling, you've hit your

ceiling. So I would say that was
probably my darkest moment.

Because my whole life was one of
infinite possibilities. I mean,

I was an overachiever. I was
like, we could do anything, we

could create anything with our
word with our thoughts with our

spirit. And in that moment, I no
longer saw a future that I could

create. I saw I had already hit
my ceiling. I thought it was the

end. I was like, No, we already
did the most we gonna do like

we're done. And I remember what
I saw. One of the visions I saw

in that journey was the multiple
levels of judgment. So it was so

clear to me, I had a visual of
me judging myself. And then I

was like, Wait, but why are you
judging yourself? So then I was

judging myself for judging
myself. And then I was judging

myself for judging myself for
judging myself. I saw four

layers of judgment, like
visually in front of me, and I

felt it and I was like, Oh, so
that's what we've been facing.

Okay, got it. And then I saw the
ceiling. And I'm sitting

upstairs in my office and my the
way my desk was set up at that

time, it was like a spaceship.
And it was like, alright, we're

command in the universe. And
that's the vibe I had when I

first moved in. And when I first
sat at that seat, But fast

forward to these months later,
and I was like, no, no, this

physical ceiling right here,
already hit it. It's done. Like

there's nothing else to do. And
in that same moment, I saw first

the layers of my judgment, and
then I remember like crying

profusely and seeing a visual of
this excavation site where I saw

The like six layers going deep.
And I saw an eye for that moment

I said, Oh, my goodness, and I
was crying. And I was like,

these are not my tears. These
are the tears of my ancestors.

And I think I realized two
things. One was, I am here to be

able to express everything that
they live that they went

through, and I'm a vessel in
this moment. And it was a great

moment of detaching from the
tears and the emotion I was

feeling. And it was so freeing
because I said, Okay, I'm here

for you. I'm expressing this for
you. And it was that, that

commingling of that moment. And
then the moment where I'm like,

okay, they are trying to free
you. They're saying, yo, girl,

like you're the vessel you get
to express without being

attached to this. But then there
was the moment before when I was

feeling chained to my judgment
and feeling like I had already

done everything. I can't create
anything else. That was the

moment for me when I was like, I
don't know what I'm doing with

my business. Next. I don't know,
you know, am I going to find

someone else to be with in this
lifetime? What does my future

look like?

Thank you for sharing that. So
what I heard was, you had to,

um, become so you could recreate
that you had to meet yourself

where you were like, Okay, this
is what I think about myself, I

recall someone saying that.
There's a lot of CEOs who

remember what I was listening
to. But there were all these

CEOs that had executive coaches,
high level CEOs that had

executive coaches, and the
executive coaches said that the

scariest place for these high
level CEOs is when they're at

the peak of their success.
Because when they're at the peak

of their success, they are
immediately following it with

this will come to an end
eventually, because I've gotten

to my highest vision, I've
gotten to my highest place. So

that means there's only down
from here. And so knowing that

you're at the top and you're
about to start rolling down is a

scary place to be. And so it's
kind of unbecoming. So you can

recreate a new vision because
you don't have to go down you

can just elevate to a new or a
different place. Yes. So after

that, what were some of the
things that you did to like kind

of begin that journey, because I
think who you're referencing in

that moment to who you've become
is a very freer, amazing,

spiritual, lively, playful,
still incredibly intelligent,

powerful. See, I owe for you to
become the CIO, the free version

of yourself, the spiritual
version of yourself, the person

that you've truly embodied,
which eventually led us in 3000.

I first want to talk about like
the the tangible work that you

did, like maybe the most
powerful books, you read some of

the actual spiritual experiences
you had? Or were some of the

things that you were like, that
literally was where I pivoted,

and was like, okay,

yes, oh, my gosh. So the first
thing that came to mind was

changing and then removing my
measuring stick. So that was a

huge first mindset shift that I
needed to embody to then be open

to the tools that were calling
me. And what that meant was my

whole life, I had that measuring
stick, which was first get

straight A's, then it was the
president of every organization.

So I was prom queen, ASB
president ICC president. So the

president of all the presidents
at all the high school, like

talking about achievement to the
highest level, like I was like,

Oh, we don't want at all. And so
I had a measuring stick my whole

life. So when I entered into
entrepreneurship, and I said,

Okay, well, what's the measuring
stick with the course business?

It's the revenue. So that's when
every moment the North Star, the

measuring stick was revenue, it
was okay, when can we hit the

million? Okay, now we need to
hit 10 million. And I remember

being like, you know, getting
calls for articles like, oh, we

want to write, and I'm gonna No,
no press like, no, a million is

nothing, we need to do 10
million, then I'll be ready for

the press. So it kept moving,
the measuring stick kept

growing. And so what I had to do
first was change the measuring

stick. So first, I changed it
from the revenue to number of

hours I was working per week. So
it changed to actually living

and life. And so what I did is I
focused on how can I instead of

working the 50 hour weeks, and
it's well, because at this time,

the company was doing really
well, I had a whole official

team in place yet I was still
doing all the things. I was

stuck in the DIY, I felt like I
had to touch everything because

I was afraid of the judgment of
myself. And I'm like, I still

got to write the I still got to
approve everything. And so

therefore, I had the amazing
capable team there. But I still

was working the 5060 hour weeks.
So I said, Okay, the next

measuring stick is let's get
this down to 10 hours a week.

Once I focused on that, got it
done in two and a half months.

So now we're like, oh, okay, we
got this cool. So the final

shift was realizing like we all
need no measuring stick at all.

And I was like, out of here,
okay, I'll be here. And what

became what I wanted to be what
became my no Northstar was am I

feeling fully self expressed
from moment to moment when you

think about that as a quote
unquote, measurement, or a north

star that is truly infinite, and
that truly has no judgment. It's

about how do I feel? Do I feel
fully self expressed? So that

became my new Guiding Light
after my A relationship. One

book that was great. my really
good friend Tara Reed

recommended it. And it was
called love, freedom and

aloneness. So first it was me
learning that there's a

difference between feeling
lonely and embracing aloneness.

And one of my biggest stories
growing up was I don't have any

friends. I feel so alone. And I
realized that I was carrying a

story that belonged to my mom.
And because I remember telling

my spiritual adviser this
rosemary, and she said, Well,

wait, you What do you mean, you
don't have any friends? She's

like, didn't you tell me you
were just in LA visiting

crystal, your best friend? Did
you just get off the phone with

Tara? Didn't you just told me
that this weekend, you're doing

these things? And I was like,
Oh, she's like, where is the no

friends thing? And I was like,
oh, okay, well, what? And she's

like, so where's this coming
from? And I realized I had done

a truth session. So this was
another resource, Lolita by

Estero. So she's amazing. She
has these truth sessions, and

it's a two hour three hour
session with just you and her.

And I had done one. And what she
does is she speaks to you asked

you questions for that time. And
at the end, she reintroduces you

to yourself. So she says, What
stage would you love to speak

on? And at that point, it was
the TED stage. I was like, Your

girl is on a TED stage. And she
said, Okay, I'm going to

reintroduce you as who I see you
as right now. And a part of that

was my book that she had
envisioned. And she said the

name of your book is I see you
and you belong. And almost like,

oh, and then I gifted my mom a
true session. And because she

loves learning, she does work
and she loves learning. And

she's like, okay, and she's,
she's about the sheets. So I was

like, Okay, mommy, here you go.
She did her truth session. I

hadn't shared what happened in
mine. She did hers. And she told

me she's like, Oh, Danny, it was
amazing. And yeah, she told me,

you know, the name of my book.
And the book is going to be

called belonging. And I said,
wait, we wait. And I shared this

with rosemary. Rosemary said,
Wait a minute, your book is a

message and in response to your
mom, you are telling your mom, I

see you, you belong. All this
time you have been carrying your

mom's story of not belonging,
you know, grew up in Panama,

went to American school and
never quite felt like she fit in

always talking about I don't
have any friends. I don't know

where I fit in. And I took that
on. And I really believe that

was my story too. As soon as
Rosemary said You, you, you are

here as the gift to tell your
mom I see you and you belong.

That is a gift as soon as you
told me that I literally felt

lighter. So my story of feeling
lonely my whole life. I got no

friends. Listening to that book,
love freedom and aloneness and

learning the distinction between
loneliness and aloneness. I

learned that aloneness is
beautiful. aloneness is making

friends with yourself. Like the
best friend, the biggest love of

your life is yourself. And I
hadn't realized that. And that

started me in realizing oh,
okay, I can surround myself by

beautiful things that inspired
me, you know, this painting the

tulips, people like you people
like how shout out to hell. And

it really taught me that, you
know, the joy is within and I

have the opportunity to be my
own friend. And I started

relishing in that aloneness and
started asking, Okay, what makes

me happy. And then I started
this practice of being in the

pursuit of pleasure. So another
book that was great is pussy

reclamation, by mama Gina, and
she has a second book, and I

read the second book during that
time, but it talks about just

our, our gift as women and our
divine feminine, how we can show

up and just flirt with life. You
know, as my friend Grace says,

and she's on one of these
episodes, you know, life is

romantic. And so it shows you
can flirt with life, you know,

go get a coffee and just just
flirt with you know the person

and just be like, Hey, how are
you? And nothing attached to it

all. It's just you being in your
being and flowing. And so I

really embodied that. Okay, how
can I flirt with life? How can I

dance?

I remember being on a call with
you one time and I think we were

talking about relationships. We
were in our content strategy

sessions. Yeah. And we were
talking about and we were

talking about relationships. And
you said, I think I said

something about when a man asks
a certain question, and the face

you gave me when you were like,
oh, no, I I'm the muse. Like I'm

the man's muse. Like I'm the
muse in every room that I walk

in, including any man that I
choose to like share my life

with and like I've been doing
this alright. But you have truly

like created that in your life.
I've watched you constantly

choose your magic within like
live in flow, Live Inspired like

you talk about always being
fully expressed and I don't know

anybody that practices that
better than you like I so enjoy

watching it and I think it's
coming to life literally coming

to life, you as the executive
producer, through your sensory

1000 brand. And for so many
people But watching and this is

coming from a fan, a follower,
were from this healing journey.

How did you go okay, not only do
I want to live life fully

express, but I feel like your
next level of execution of it is

through your sensory 1000 brand.
And so how did you go from

course from scratch the story
you were telling yourself around

course from scratch, and this
brand new brand, fully embodying

your past, present and future
self.

It's interesting because I think
what we'll find is what since

3008 is all about embodying your
past, present and future self

now. And one thing I realized is
we often end up returning back

to ourselves. And so this brand
has always been inside of me,

everything I've done has been a
reflection of this. I just

didn't have the language or the
consciousness of it. And so it

was a natural next thing, what
helped is the proximity piece,

you know, I was being you know,
newly single, I had more space

to surround myself with more
friends, new people who are also

future as visionaries. And so
the first piece was putting

myself in proximity with other
like futurists and visionaries.

And I was like, Oh, wait, what's
this whole web? Three NF T.

Okay, interesting. What's this
whole spiritual? Okay,

interesting. So that was the
first thing was really like,

calling in and being open to and
being moved by, and putting

myself in proximity with with
folks like that, who already saw

the future and reliving it. And
then it was going to events like

conferences continuing to learn.
It was going on the unplanned,

last minute trips, where I got
to, like, express myself and

dream through these ideas. And
so with since 3000, you know, it

started as an NFT project. And
it started with this vision of

how can we create the first
collection that really reflects

who we are because I don't see a
collection that looks like me,

and that has the essence and has
like the fashion overlap and

like the physical and the
digital, the digital fashion,

because your fashion is on point
A if you don't tell those people

to get out of my DMs, they're
like, where are the BTS footage

of her shoes and her jewelry and
like all the things, so your

vibe continues shout

out to Germany, collaborator
shout out determining the

century. So it started there.
And then it moved into, alright,

I want to do a show I thought
about I was seeing this shift

where I was feeling resistance
to being the quote unquote,

expert in the room and being the
teacher all the time, this

identity of I'm the teacher, I'm
the expert. So creating a course

creating course from scratch.
You know, I am the teacher, I'm

the expert, I go on my Q and
A's, I am the expert. They are

asking me all the questions. I
am there to give to deliver to

give the answers on my team. I
was the CIO, I was the leader,

the CEO at that time before I
rebranded it in a way that

inspired me. And they were
coming to me for the answers.

And and I felt, you know, I
created this narrative that I

had to give them all the
answers. So it was me going to

hosting masterminds and being
the expert, the one that

everyone's asking questions. So
I saw, I wanted to be a student

again, I'm like, I love being a
student. And I thought back to

the original, you know, business
project I created, which was

called the do love project. And
this was a decade ago, it was in

like, 2012 When I was living
with my mom, and I was dreaming

up what I want to do. And it was
one of my first projects was

called do love therapy sessions.
So I wanted to create an online

course and I said, Okay, I want
to, but I want to talk to the

people and I want to be a
student of what their biggest

fear is and doing what they love
for a living. And so I remember

just interviewing people, and I
just loved interviewing people.

And then I did a podcast with my
best friend, Crystal, brand new

nation. And this was a decade
ago, I was like girl, you know,

if we would have kept doing that
thing we would have been so I

know we could should have kept
going. But it's the people

that started 10 years ago,
locked right

locked in, but it was so much
fun. Like we got to be students

like we would say, Who do we
find interesting and

fascinating. Let's bring them on
the show. So we had zoom on

there. We got to ask her about
travel hacking and how she's

creating this cool life for
herself. We had Arielle on there

who had just gotten cast on a
reality show but really made it

her own. And was like breaking
down all the barriers. Like we

had so many amazing people on
there. We got to ask them

Jabari, how are you doing these
r&b colors, parties? How is

event businesses and actual
business? How much are you

making? How much are you taking
home? How are you? I don't have

to be a student. And so with
this, this show, I was like,

wait, we wait. I'm going back to
where I started, which is what I

frickin love. I love being a
student. I love sitting on the

couch and being like, So tell
me, how did you do this? And

then I love taking what they
share and you know, digesting it

and synthesizing it into a
framework a fun as acronym that

you know really vibes and
resonates so that others can do

it too and helping create the
blueprint. So when I started

creating with doula project, was
these press playbooks so the

first like version of my course
was called press play. And when

I did it, it was so funny
because I'm like, Girl, you're

supposed to be creating your
first course, in the course of

creating my first course, I
ended up doing these webinars

where I would host other people
and I would have other people

on, and I would interview them.
And I was supposed to be selling

my course. But this was a decade
ago, there was no course on

webinar, like I didn't know what
I was doing. So I ended up

turning my supposedly like sales
webinar into an interview. And I

would just get deep into their
stories. And I was like, You

know what I can do? I can do
these press playbooks. And so I

had like a rel moody on and he's
like this, like world renowned

speaker. And I was like, Oh, I
could do a press playbook with

with around and interview him
turned into a framework. And we

could collaborate on this
playbook that others can use to

become speakers. So when I
started, I really like yes, I

was creating, and I created my
first course press play. But at

the same time, like what brought
me so much joy was also

interviewing others and helping
them create playbooks tell their

stories. So that was a big shift
for me was saying, I want to be

the student. Again, I want to
have the show, I want to play

dress up and talk to my friends,
which is

literally what you've been
doing. It's so fun. So fun. I

have to highlight what you just
said. Because I think in the

industry that we're all, you
know, so many of us are in which

is this influencer guru, it is
this fight to the top. Like you

always talk about your Northstar
being at first it was revenue. I

think people when they start
making a significant amount of

money and a significant amount
of impact, for you to say that

you wanted to become a student,
again, I think it's so important

to highlight the purpose behind
that because to me, and when you

really get done a lot of these
books we read, right? When you

go on this journey, they talk so
much about the intent and Gamal,

your guest talked about this as
well, of building wealth,

building something, whether you
love it or not killing it,

crushing it making enough money
either exiting or making enough

money to invest in something
else. And then that now gives

you that because so many people
that are in survival don't have

the time or the space to
actually focus on like, what is

it that I want the book wanting,
right? And you put yourself in a

position where you could take
some time off and go, Okay, I

did all the things. I'm
evolving, I can feel my identity

shifting. And I want to be a
student again, because maybe I

don't know what that next thing
is. But I can feel myself no

longer identifying with course
from scratch. Daniel, no longer

this high achiever,
perfectionist, and you still are

incredibly talented, and you
kill it every time. But saying,

Okay, I want to be more fully
expressed, I want to be more

free. And what is this going to
look like for me, and then being

a student of it and being a
student of yourself? I think

there's so much ego out there
and people just don't stop long

enough to go. Okay, what's next?
And let me sit in that. And so

my question for you is there was
a process that came with that.

And Gamal talked about this? Was
there ever a time in being a

student again, where your ego
got in the way where you were

like, I'm not achieving enough
right now? I'm not doing enough.

I'm not being seen enough. I'm
not where you had to kind of

check, self check. So far.

I think one very recent moment,
is when I was thinking about

this show. And I found myself
getting into the same pattern of

If This Then That. So when we
have the show, and my strengths

finder, have you done Strengths
Finder, Clifton Strengths? Oh,

so good. So when I did Strengths
Finder, my top ones were number

one was futurist you literally
live there. That's where you

live. That was my number one.
And so that means I'm motivated

by what could be by the future.
The second one was activator. So

that is when you can make a
roadmap that goes from point A

to point B. And then the third
one was Maximizer. And that's

when you think about how do we
maximize every situation? So

that's amazing. And also what I
found is it became limiting for

my self expression, it became
limiting for that question of

who am I and what is fully self
expressed me look like? So when

creating the show, my mind
automatically went to what comes

after? What's the opt in? What's
the call to action? What's

happening, like, where are we
sending people so we can

maximize opportunity. And I was
talking, I was about to build a

whole new I was like, Oh, we
build a whole new platform, it's

gonna be this don't cost this.
He added the timeline, the

spreadsheet, there's more about
to do monthly recurring revenue.

And I talked to my business
manager and he said, I want to

have you try something on
because he's very spiritual as

well, which is really dope. And
we can go months without

talking. And he will say what I
have been feeling and I'm like,

oh, so he said, you know where I
see that where you are right

now. Is that it is is dark and
you've talked about this you've

said like oh, it's Oh, no,
what's happened? Oh, no, was

there and he said, it's dark for
a reason. Like before any of

this was created. It was dark.
It's calling you to create

what's next. You're not going to
create in the light. It needs to

be dark. because it's waiting
for you to build, and he said,

you, when you think about early
civilization, you know, the east

coast was developed, you had New
Jersey, you had New York, those

colonies were developed, there
was nothing out west, there was

nothing out there, like you
needed to go and build it. He

said, I find you going back to
the east coast to those early

colonies, because that's where
you feel grounded. That's where

you feel safe. You think I've
got to create this another

business like, this is what I
need to do. And he said, I want

to invite you, I want you to
know that you don't live on this

earth. You're not supposed to be
a part of the colonies, you're

not supposed to be in the house.
You want another planet, you're

supposed to go out west, it's
supposed to be dark where you

are because you're here to
create, bring the light and

create what's next. And he said,
so what if, with this show, you

see where it goes, if you have a
quote unquote plan for it, and

you have Okay, step one, is this
and then it's going in this? How

are you allowing what's really
like, beyond your comprehension

gonna happen? How are you
allowing the rock to see you,

Dwayne Johnson, he's amazing.
How are you allowing him to see

your show and be like, I want to
partner with her. If you already

have a figured out when you're
sending people over here, and so

everything you're doing is
nevermind because like, we got

to structure the show in a way
that takes people here we got to

say this because they need to go
here. The rocking gonna be

messed with that he gonna be
like, okay, cool. No, no, no,

I want to be a guest on her
show. Because it looks so much

fun. Oh, okay. Because they're
fully expressed. Danielle is me

fun. Wow, she's a party starter.
She's literally a blast. And so

for them to watch and be like,
that looks like so much fun. And

she looks so different. And I
want to be a part of that. The

optimizing maximizing
perfectionist Danielle would not

have and I saw you go back and
forth in that process. I was

there. I was there. Because I
remember the text message. And I

was like, We gotta have a call.
And it was when you hit me with

the curveball. And you're going
back to everything that we said

we weren't doing. And I was
like, Wait, and then I said,

Okay, I'm gonna go with the
flow. And then you found it on

your own. I almost said
something. And I was so happy.

And then I was like, Nope, I'm
gonna. And then one day you text

me? And you said, Am I
overthinking this? Am I, I'm

thinking that I have to maximize
and sell this and make it the

best thing and the most
possible, the best opportunity

for my audience and all the
things. Am I overthinking this?

And I was like, Yeah, I was
like, I was gonna say, the

version of you that I see now in
this space, is you're doing

exactly your StrengthsFinder you
doing exactly what you're called

to do. And where this is going,
we don't know. And I always say,

God gives us like slight
previews or, or visions that

only are meant for us. And it's
literally for us to just obey or

commit to, because his vision is
so much bigger than anything we

can conceptualize. We are narrow
minded in the fact that we

cannot conceptualize what he can
conceptualize for us. Sometimes.

It's just, here's a little
snippet, which was probably your

original podcast idea, which is
I just want to have fun with my

friends. I want to go back to
remembering all the fun I had in

these interviews. And then you
got caught up in what's made

Danielle successful, your
original story. Who made

Danielle Leslie you did but how
and what what all the things

that worked for me optimizing
and maximizing every

opportunity. And so you went
back to that, and then I was

like, but what I see in this for
you and what you know, like your

business manager said was,
you're gonna lay the foundation,

you're gonna lay the future for
what's next. For so many people

through this show. You're gonna
be like, this is where we're

going. Women are now investing
in NF T's. Everyone can have

their like, you're literally
laying the foundation for what's

next. The first time I came here
and met you and heard you talk

about this stuff. I was like, I
had my moment that you had of a

new ceiling. I was like, Oh,
this ceiling is new. Like the

ceiling has lifted, because
hearing you talk and you're

where you live, which is 3000 I
was like, oh, New Zealand new

place like I have had it all
wrong. Take it to the next

level. What sailing? Correct.
You have none. Like you're past

the moon and beyond the stars.
That's where you live, but

hearing you in that space was
what helped me elevate. And so I

was like, I've been I've been
known stay the course Danielle

Leslie. Like, I you're taking me
to the next level. And so you

operating in that space has
been. I've watched you resist

the journey, and then embrace
it. And the more I see you in

here, the more I'm like, oh,
there's something so big coming.

It's so massive. It's your
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So this one is for your
audience. Because let me be

selfish. This is for me. And
then if this resonates with you,

you're welcome. I love it. This
is for me. So three and a half

years in entrepreneurship. Like
I'm literally a toddler, right?

I think about child like walking
can function fully. So function

No, not really like needs some
assistant needs help. It needs

to constantly be empowered and
motivated. Right? So three and a

half years and entrepreneurship
and there are days where I'm

Yonsei like you can't tell me
shit. money's coming in. I'm in

the like dancing in the car to
give me all the sales calls.

Watch me work, baby. And you get
this vibe of like, this is the

rest of my life. Oh, yeah. Oh,
yeah. The way I feel right now.

Oh, yeah. Me for the restaurant.
Yeah, I'm gonna feel like this

forever. Nothing cuz you're
literally invincible. Nothing

could stop me. Yes. Just
kidding. And then, and then

y'all know this one, then you
find yourself crying packing a

bag because you think tomorrow
you're gonna have to go live

under a bridge. Because now
nothing makes sense. I remember

being asked live with Ryan the
back. And he was like, Why do

entrepreneurs always think when
we have a bad month that we're

immediately going to have to go
live under a bridge? I was like,

oh, that's absolutely the case.
So you're packing your bag, and

you're like, my journey is over.
This was not meant for me. I was

not created for this. I have
failed miserably. And I have to

go tell my mom and all the
people that doubted me that they

were right. So let me prepare my
death of the ego over here.

Story. My letter, right? Yes. We
talked about your dark night of

the soul, which is personal. But
for your business? Did you ever

have the armor pack my bag
moment? Like, I can't pay my and

I'm talking about deep like,
because we said darkness the

soul is usually a breakup or
like it's a renown identity

moment. For business. It's like
I can't pay my staff or I

thought that investing $100,000.
And that was going to work and

it did not. So I'm not as smart
as I thought. Like, what was

this? Crime The car moment for
your business for you?

Oh, wow. So I'm big on investing
in coaching and mentors. I

remember my friend Anna from
homemade cooking, shout out to

Anna, she's amazing. And she
would joke with me and be like,

Yo, I'd be joking with my
husband. Like, I've never met

anyone who spends so much on
herself. And when I say herself,

it's not on the shoes of the
person is it's on a coach. It's

on a program. It's on I'm
learning. Like, I think at my

height. At one time, I was
talking to my therapist every

Monday, I was talking to my
business manager every

Wednesday, my spiritual advisor
every Thursday, my business

coach every Friday. I mean, if
you're

losing the money

that you had made, not at that
point, okay. When I first

started working with like two
coaches, yes. When I did my

first six figure month? Yes. So
when I did my first six,

absolutely. My motivation was
horrible. I don't want to screw

this up. Like, I've never had
this much money. What am I

doing? So yes, at that time, the
motivation was let me find

people who have been there
before. Let me find the

visionaries. They've already
walked the walk. Let me partner

with them. And at this time, at
the height, I actually did it

from a place of the this is what
I do to level up like I'm always

I guess, one of the things I'm
motivated by is the learning and

is the like collapsing time? How
can I get there in a fraction of

the time. And what really took
me out was when I made a major

investment in a coach, and then
worked with another team and

made a major investment plus was
offering rev share to this team.

And after working with them. I
was like oh, this ain't it? And

then I'm like, wait, oh, this is
not getting better. Oh, wait,

this is really not getting
better. And me realizing that I

guess I had just worked on
certain skills, but not there

was the skill of like listening
to myself. And knowing my voice

is the most important voice to
listen to. And in seeking the

learning and how do I collapse
time, I had adopted a philosophy

that what that looks like is
working with coaches and working

with mentors and giving them all
my money and giving them this

and given the mat and so I
didn't have as much liquidity as

before, you know the margins
were different because I was

putting it over here in this
bucket instead of if I had just

paused and said, you know,
let's, let's just take a little

break. And I liken it to my
journey with medicine. I've gone

on like a few journeys. And last
year was my year of journeying.

And then this year, I said, this
is my year of integration. So

all the learnings I got from
working with the medicine during

the journeys this year, I'm
going to integrate those

lessons. And I'm going to listen
to this voice that they helped

cultivate, they helped curate,
but also it's my voice. It's the

highest voice, I'm going to
listen to that of God of

universe give me the highest
voice, I'm going to listen to

that. And I'm going to go and
I'm gonna be great. I'm gonna

integrate all the lessons. So
same thing with these coaches. I

said, Okay, we're gonna pump the
brakes. So right now is the

first time in my whole adult
life. I don't know how long I

guess maybe, yeah, since started
my business, since I work with

those first coaches where I'm
not working with anyone. So I

paused my therapist. So it's
been a couple years, I'm not

working with my therapist, not
working spiritual advisor, you

know, not any business coaches
not partnering with anyone not

paying anyone for masterminds.
Like I am integrating. And I'm

saying, What does my voice sound
like? If there was a superpower,

we had a CEO retreat, and we
were talking about superpowers

that we wished for when we were
kids. And I asked the table,

what's one that you want now as
an adult, and mine was the

superpower of deciphering? Is
this my voice? Or is this

someone else's voice? Is this
the ego, which to me, means

society, significant other
parents, coaches, peers alike,

Whose voice is this? That would
be the superpower. And so since

then, I've been practicing that
muscle, and I realized what

helps is to remove the outside
voices, I will say I wouldn't

have gotten to this point.
Without all the coaches and the

investments I'd made. Right, I
wouldn't have as many lessons to

integrate. And so I want to
honor and thank every single

coach mastermind investment,
like they got me to this point.

And I think all of them and I
think the previous version of

Danny, who made those
investments. And now I get to

embody all of that, and ask
myself, okay, Whose voice is

this? And what do I want?

I hope y'all heard that loud and
clear. There's such a message

out there that is like, don't
hire a coach, it doesn't have a

coach and don't, you know, you
should constantly be learning

and you should constantly be
paying someone. But if there's

anything I've learned more so on
my healing journey, is there is

a season, and you're using the
word of integration, which I

love. But you will slap yourself
in the face every single time,

when you are in your darkest
moments, or having a like lapse,

I feel like I always say like
your your only is healed is your

next best trigger. And so you
will be in a triggered moment.

And be like, Wait, it is it is
astounding, when you realize

like, wait, I feel like I can't
get out of this. But I can,

because I've learned the tools.
I've actually, in fact heard

that several times. But I never
stopped long enough to integrate

or to apply the lessons. So
we're consumed, consume,

consume, consume culture, but we
don't actually practice anything

that we learn. And they're the
only way to do that you talked

about earlier alone are being
practicing aloneness, and

integrating, saying, okay, like
how are you going to learn all

these tools physical and or
mental, and for your business,

and for your like breath work,
you know, for me the breath work

and like, then for me to have a
moment and be like, wait, I'm

not doing breath work anymore.
So no wonder I can't self your

self regulate through this
moment. Because I'm not

practicing any of the things
that I learned. And so the

practice of simply integrating
and getting really quiet,

because we're always trying to
fast forward through, fast

forward to the success and then
I'll practice those things.

Because I was talking about how
like success can't silence the

noise. So you have got to people
try to like fast forward to

success. And then I'll implement
the things because I just need

to be at a place where I can
stand still, well, that will not

come. So you have to create it.
So for you to have a season of

integration. I hope y'all heard
that clearly. Because that is so

powerful of like, you need a
season of silence. You need a

seasons of season of silence.

I love that the season of
silence, because, well, there

are a couple of distinctions
that I think will help, like

help me in my journey. And it's
asking what I need most now in

this season. And so it may be a
season where there is a new

skill you want to learn and
therefore you buy that program

to learn that skill. Yes, you
mentioned breathwork and this

was set it off for me. I was
like yes, Wim Hof come to me,

yes, breathwork breathwork
course, because I'm like, I

don't know how to do it all but
I've learned like so that is a

skill in which I would invest in
a program and I would learn that

and then there is the other type
where it is the coaching, where

you are entrusting and hoping
that this person is asking you

the open ended questions that
allow you to go inside of

yourself as opposed to
projecting onto you what their

version and definition of
success is. I was CEO was not

supposed to do anything as he
was supposed to outsource

everything you're supposed to be
out you're supposed to do and

it's like okay, maybe some of
these things, but not all of

them and you get lost in doing
that. So I think definitely

making that distinction of okay,
what do I I need most now,

investing in that the season of
of silence. What that made me

think of is even a day to day
practice of the silence. So that

would be you know what Deepak
Chopra calls the gap. It's like

Dr. Joe calls the space in
between, but it's the

meditation. It's the even, you
know, if you're just sitting

listening to music, what
messages are coming through,

because that has been so, so big
for me creating that, like on a,

on a micro level and a macro
level,

your journey is my favorite. And
the way your brain works is my

favorite. Okay, get your drink,
because we're gonna have some

fun now. Because to get to ask,
we do what we do. That sounds

like fun.

I was gonna do this.

After two more solo episodes,
absolutely. A No, but to ask you

to time travel, you really
embrace this course from scratch

to send 3000 You're totally
embodying this to me, you're

fully embodying this right now.
There's a next level after that,

I had to. There's a, it's like,
you always tell me this. There's

a new Big Boss, right? So like
the Mario game, it's like we get

there. And we're like, we did
it. We went down the tunnel. And

then out comes this new land.
And you're like, we the bosses

bigger. And I remember for me,
it was changing the name of my

show. So like four and a half
years I was the stranded face,

and to be crying in a hotel room
in Miami on the balcony and

being like, Why do I feel so
unaligned to get to the moment

of like, wait, I'm marrying this
story. Like I'm marrying. I'm

literally marrying the idea of
being stuck when I'm literally

not anymore, other than in my
mind. So like, I'm embracing

these stories to feed an
audience that I fed when I was

stuck. Well, I'm not stuck
anymore, but I'm keeping this

story in my head. So what does
the new me look like? And that

was embracing rich and real
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it was rich in real life. Like
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was community connection,
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rich and real life? Yes. Oh, I
love because it was my birthday

theme. And you inspired that.
You inspired when you talked

about the birthday party when
you told me that story about

your freaking birthday and that
Helen threw this party and it

was themed. I literally called
my girlfriend the next night and

I was like, Okay, listen to this
story. And I was like, and I was

having my 33rd birthday. And I
had just went through my most

most transformative year ever in
my life, like my dark night of

the soul, like crying in a
bathtub, all the things and I

was like, Okay, I'm coming out
of that now. And I want my

birthday to reflect like my new
year. I want my birthday to be

my new year. And I was like,
what? And she was like, Okay,

well what is the phrase and it
just came so fast, like rich in

real life? Because there's all
these influencers and gurus and

the flashiness, all the things
that brought me joy and got me

out of a dark place where
sisterhood, it was connection,

it was being written,
spirituality was being rich and

faith, it was being rich and
just like fun and finding things

that brought me joy, and just
like, and then when you are in

that state in that spirit, the
money comes. Oh, yeah. So it's

like, then you get to be rich.
So congrats. Like being rich

already there.

It was waiting for you to open
your arms and catch it. The

money machine, you know, when it
flies up all the money. I mean,

literally, like that's what
we're living in moment to

moment, and we don't realize it
like we are in the money

machine. Every moment. There's
my flying around everywhere,

energy, energy. And all we got
to do is get in there and catch

it, grab it, grab it.

So what is 10 years from now for
Danielle? Like, what does that

look like? Time travel? Where
are you? What are you doing? Are

you married, do babies?

Definitely all of those things.
So I recently went to celebrate

my sister's birthday. Our friend
Amira threw like a celebration

for her at the Museum of ice
cream. And there was a girl we

got in the ballpark. We took
little photos, the glasses on it

was fun. And they're in the
Museum of ice cream. There's

like a prompt, like a wall of
prompts. And the prompt said,

What is your biggest dream for
this year? And so Amir is like,

why don't you go first? And I
said, it's to be engaged. And

she was like, Oh, wait, what?
And I think she was expecting a

business goal and all of that.
And I said, you know, I know

that the business goals are
going to happen. I know all

those things are going to
happen. The demonstration of my

biggest personal growth will be
me, attracting connecting and

solidifying a relationship with
a person because that will mean

that I have truly gotten out of
my own way. Because of something

I realized recently is I do
struggle to receive love. I'm

the first to put me like six
feet and not even know I'm doing

it by being like no no, like,
I'll see you in like a week. No,

no, I don't want you to be here
for that. Oh, sorry. Can you

leave in 10 minutes I got this
thing to do. I'm feeling a

little stressed. about my work,
can you go instead of being

like, How can I partner with
this person to, you know, help

me create this thing. So for me,
that realization was okay. If I

am with someone and engaged that
means I have truly gotten out of

my own way. And I'm able to
receive like that filter. And

it's open and I'm able to
receive and also I have released

this glamorization, right. So I,
what I realized is I have a

measuring stick in
relationships. So in a love

relationship with a potential
life partner, I do glamorize it

and I expect that we will never
have a disagreement. Anything

that I that, you know, doesn't
vibe with me. It's unchangeable.

You're not going okay.

Oh, Disney is like the, you
know, the men always say that,

like, Oh, you have a Disney
fairy tale love story. Yeah. And

like, because Disney only shows
us like when they choose each

other, and they get mad. Yeah.
And then it's like, oh,

are not realizing it. That's
what I have. Right? Because I'm

an eternal optimist. So I'm
like, of course, it's going to

be amazing. without me realizing
no, no, like, you will have

disagreements, and you will have
difficult conversations. And I

grew up not having difficult
conversations. There was no

like, confronting conversations.
So now those feel very

uncomfortable. And I just I just
when I see something that

doesn't vibe, I'm like, let me
go over here. Exactly. I'm like,

you can't change it. Let me go
over here. So now I've learned

the practice of okay, let's have
a conversation. Oh, oh, you are

willing to change those things.
Which is so weird coming from me

because I'm I am a growth
mindset type of person. I'm

constantly improving. And I
attract others who are

constantly improving and who
value self awareness. So well,

why on earth didn't I believe
that this person could make a

commitment to say, oh, I can
create the possibility of

showing up in this way instead
of that way for that to happen,

even you know, in the next year
would be huge. So when we fast

forward, we time travel. You
know, she already live in 10

years from now, Danny's already
live in? So yes, she has an

amazing husband who is self
aware. We have conversations for

like four hours, I lose track of
time. We're like somewhere else.

We laugh all the time. It's like
intellectual conversations. We

vibe we connect. I am his muse.
Certainly, every day I walk in,

he sees me he's like, it's like
the first time he's seeing me.

He's like, wow, wait, let me
take this. Your pants. Oh my

god, this brace. You just like
that every moment. Every day

that's happening. We have kids
so to to probably to let me

know, too. And what Oh, and the
kids are awesome. So because

they're their own beings. And
I'm like, Oh, what are you here

to teach me I get to be a
student again, I wouldn't be let

me sit in the student seat.
They're creating their own

worlds. They're inspiring me.
I'm fully in play. So we

probably have homes in different
parts of the world maybe. So I

love London for maybe like four
months of the year. You know,

I'm saying like, Oh, like a
spring summer situation. So

potentially spending some time
there. Love New York's

definitely have a main home
here. Most likely, with a lot of

greenery, and some version of
homeschooling with the kids,

potentially unless we can find a
school that really like aligns

with our values. I've always had
this this vision of like my

friends also teaching my kids.
So we do a summer camp or we do

like a quarterly camp where all
of my amazing friend you won't

be there. You're there right
now. Okay, y'all, y'all are

there to

grow and have babies. Oh we're
paying top dollar. You watch

these babies,

you know, I'm saying we're doing
a summer camp. And you're

helping them you're interviewing
them on the podcast. Your own

show, Helen is leading them in
like a visualization exercise.

Like what do you want to
release? What do you envision?

Write down is there any showing
them how to actually like,

produce their own show. And so
some of the kids are producing

while some of them are learning
from you and being on the

podcast, Sean is there teaching
them how to tell stories, Robert

is there and he's showing them
how to perform and show up and

and maybe produce their own kind
of TV show. We've got all the

friends there they doing all the
things Tara is teaching them how

to build an app and also
teaching them how to dance and

be fully self expressed through
dance. That is what I see for my

kids whether it's quarterly but
some kind of learning experience

that is really pulling in my
community because that's where

we came from was communal living
and then we isolated ourselves

and we're like oh, let's let's
live in this box with all

individuals and try to struggle
and make it work and force

appears to move or invite them
to move to where we are to help

out like note taking it back to
the community and realizing that

friends are family. So bringing
them in by then I have you know

books out. I have shared a lot
of like My mindset, my quotes,

I've done a lot of writing I
write almost every morning I

wake up and I do my morning
pages, I'm still doing a show in

some form or fashion, like,
perhaps I do a tour and I go to

these different locations. So we
can world school, the kids that

can see these different places.
And while I'm there interview

really interesting people, I
might be studying something in

particular. So one of the things
I like really wanted to do was I

was like, oh my god, it'd be so
cool to go back to D school. So

Stanford has the design school
and learn about design, because

design is under everything,
right? I mean, everything like

not only furniture, but how do
we design communities? How do we

design buildings for maximum
colliding of different

personalities, different people?
So maybe I've like gone and

studied something. One other
thing I wanted to do was like, I

was like, Wouldn't it be dope?
If it was almost like I was

like, Okay, if I was a student
again, and I was in college, and

I was designing my dissertation,
what would that look like? And

if they gave me like a budget
for it, okay, or not, I just

made it myself. Because that's
what we do. The money is

everywhere, catch it. Okay, we
got the budget for it. So it was

a project where I would go to
the schools with the top

educational programs, and not
rated by like a weird metric

stick, but actually, like
qualitative education, like out

of the box, like learning the
mindfulness meditation, the

coding, because it's not about
learning the coding, it's about

learning the mindset that it's
okay to fail. If you think about

coding, you put in some things,
and then you click refresh. And

then you open up the page and
see what it looks like. And if

you didn't quite get it, you're
like, Okay, let me go back. And

let me just change his character
and refresh it. And I learned

that in my web design class in
college, and I'm like, Oh, this

is a great practice in just
like, taking risks and failing

and knowing it's okay, you can
iterate as you go along. And

then having that logical
thinking that if this, then that

reasoning, okay, if I do this,
then this will happen. So, you

know, like studying the schools
that are doing that,

interviewing the principals,
interviewing the top curriculum

designers in those programs, and
finding out and, and going and

being on the campus and being
like, Oh, the design of the

campus is so that the playground
is in the center of the campus.

So when they walk to their
classroom, they need to walk

through the playground, so they
have a sense of play, and are

things they can interact with.
So they can be in motion and be

in their body, and, you know,
collide with a friend and do a

quick dance. So there's a dance
session, I was like, that'd be

super dope to just study and
interview these people and

figure out okay, what is leading
education look like? What does

what are the new, you know,
edges of that. So perhaps I'm

doing something like that. And
my show is showcasing that where

I get to interview them. And you
know, perhaps it's on Netflix,

or it's on Discovery, or own
shout out to Robert, because you

already have your show you go
you go just like me writing Are

you following Jasmine Sue, which
is children's show? Oh, that's

another thing my kids are being
also raised through my friends

and things my friends have
created. Because Jasmine's

children's show is going to help
raise my kids. That's going to

be the new, you know, Blue's
Clues, Gullah Gullah Island,

whatever, fill in the blank kids
show, Sesame Street, Mr. Rogers,

and they get to see a woman who
looks like their mom, teaching

them these practices that we
didn't learn. So my kids are

actually are going to be raised
by my friends and the people

I've even had on since 3000. On
this show. I see all of that.

And more,

you painted this vision for me.
And I saw so many things. I saw

like when you said this, I was
like, Okay, we're doing a

patent, you'll have a podcast
room. So just like the sex room,

you'll have a podcast room.
Studio. Audio. Oh, absolutely.

And then, like Robert talked
about with a sanctuary o

in section two. Sorry. So we
have both

podcasts? No, they're not.
That's, that's not an easy

transition. So those toys and
tools are different. So you have

the sex room and the podcast
room, you have your since 1000

Studios where you can produce
help other people produce their

content as well. Because now
you've literally created this

sounded like a university,
because you surround yourself

with people that constantly
inspire you. So you have

everyone readily available
around you that like, you're

like they can inspire it. Not
only do they inspire me, but

they can inspire my children,
they can continuously inspire my

life. And I can surround myself
with this on the constant in my

sanctuary. I was like, oh my
god, I can see all of this. And

then one of my favorite things
about some of the most popular

podcasts is when they don't try
to be someone else, when they

say, here's where I'm at. And
here's the journey I'm gonna

take you on. And if you intend
on going through the seasons

with me, you'll grow with me.
And so taking them from where

you are now at the beginning of
sensory 1000 to saying okay, bye

in 10 years, we'll have sensory
1000 But I'll be you'll be 10

years forward with me where I'm
interviewing people about the

design and the art and the, the
way in which they create things

on a whole nother level because
that's where I'll be in my own

personal life. People love to
track that journey with you. So

that's all I got for you. Thank
you for asking me that question.

You asked all your guys what was
inside saying you need to be

honest, so you can see everyone
else's future. And that's where

you live. I was like, I gotta
see this I have to see this. And

so before we get into tell the
truth, I have to just take a

moment to give you your flowers.
And you have inspired me so much

from afar, but just doing life
with you, in the last eight,

it's been about a year. So don't
don't tell it on don't know, for

the, for the short time that
we've worked together, I have to

give you your flowers for a
couple of things that you just

really put into perspective for
me on another level. One, you

broke the ceiling. So ceiling is
completely different. In your

mind, it doesn't exist in my
mind, it was on my forehead. And

I needed it to get out of the
way. And so watching the way in

which you operate really broke
the ceiling for me, to you took,

I read, I read the power of
proximity and every book that I

ever embraced, but to see the
way in which you do it, you took

that shit to another level. And
it made me take it to another

level because you don't even
realize that you are so

committed to I don't know that
it's being inspired or what it

is. But you make sure that your
team, everyone on your team is

really bringing something to you
that they elevated the level

that which you aspire to be your
team, your friends, the people

in the influencers that you
associate yourself with you take

power approximately the next
level because to me when I would

read power, power proximity, I'd
be like, Oh, go to conferences

and pay for masterminds got it,
like just force yourself to be

in rooms that you're
uncomfortable in. But you make

your life by design, inspiring,
which is like you make sure your

proximity is always in the
future. So that was I have to

give you flowers for them.
Three, this is a big one is I

would hit barriers or walls or
self sabotage so often that I

would think okay, every
successful female CEO I see just

has this state that she's in or
this way that she shows up or

this way in which she operates.
So I need to the woman I was I

was idolizing I'm like I need to
become that. That's my block.

And being around you and seeing
that not only is your brand new,

totally being, but you stay
feminine and soft. And that was

so inspiring for me because I
was like, and I say this in a

way but I was like I don't have
to be this Babbage to be like, I

mean, I'm gonna be a Babbage,
okay? But, but like, I don't

have to be this assertive,
aggressive, demanding woman to

stand out in my space, I can
just be more of me, and allow

the people to come and you being
fully you and being feminine and

soft, but just fully expressed
while doing it made me like, oh,

I don't have to change. I just
have to be more of who I am.

Yes, more of who I am, and allow
myself that space. And I think

the fourth, there's so many
things I could go on for hours.

But the fourth thing I have to
give you flowers for is just,

you are wildly successful. Like
you are my measuring six, you

are my measuring stick for
success. And so knowing all the

success that you've had, and
still seeing how you love

people, and how you show up for
people, I hate using the word

humble, but you just you love on
a different level, the way you

allow people in your space, like
you said, all these coaches are

like, you know, outsource,
outsource, outsource, like I had

coaches, like, Don't ever let
people in your car. Don't ever

let people in your home when you
do this when you do that. And

like you're like, No, you come
in my house, like, let's go to

dinner, like all these things
that I saw you do with your

clients and your students. And I
was like, you literally just

trash all the stereotypes in the
best way where you're like, No,

no, I'm gonna do this this way.
And I was like, Okay, I do get

to do business the way that I
feel the best doing it, or else

why the hell am I doing it? Like
you inspired in less than a

year, I have to give your
flowers, your flowers for those

things because you change the
way that I did business and the

way I showed up personally and a
lot of ways so and I can only

imagine what you've done for a
lot of your listeners. Oh, wow.

So I hope you receive that. I
only receive that I do all

the way you make it very easy to
receive it. Oh yeah, you like

create a safe, a safe space for
people to receive it. And to

show up in that like receiving
energy. Give it so generously.

And genuinely.

You make it easy. Okay, so your
inspiration your tattoo is tell

the truth, which I love. Because
I am the ice call myself like

the queen of vulnerability like
I was so inspired by Brene

Brown, like I was like, hey,
this journey might be shit at

some time. But I'm gonna tell
everybody I don't care. I'm not

gonna sugarcoat anything you're
gonna see it like why because we

go in there you get in the truth
like it is what it is. No, I

almost feel it today and I cried
and it was hard and it's giving

fuck the chips because I love
that no matter how successful

you become tell the truth is at
the center of your world. So

you've asked every single one of
your guests. So I insist on

asking you, what is your most
recent truth? Or what is

something that you are working
to tell yourself the truth

about?

I have something coming up for
me. It's this breakup letter

should I share about the breakup
letter? Oh, you sipping your

tea? Yeah.

Let's go. That's a truth. Let's
go.

Okay. So I was on a trip. And on
that trip, it came in, and I

said, Oh, no, I'm, you know, I'm
dating someone. And I said, we

got to break up. If it's six
feet away, again, exactly. It's

not doing the things I needed to
do. And so I wrote a letter. And

it was a breakup letter, I knew
that if I got in person with

him, and attempted to break up
with him, that I would either

just follow my face and my
delivery, you know,

communication on things like
that, I'm still honing and

exercising, things that are
potentially difficult. So for

me, my strength is writing,
that's my best way to express my

pure raw emotions. So I wrote a
letter. And you know, I started

out with all the amazing,
wonderful things that we've

shared all the amazing things I
love about him. And then I moved

into and, you know, we talked
about because we're sitting

right here in this living room,
and he noticed that we could

occupy three different types of
relationships. And he's like, I

don't know, if we could be all
three, maybe we could be two,

maybe one. And the three types,
you know, and the three types of

relationships, we're best
friends, because we would have a

blast, like, We are twins. I
mean, we're so similar. We think

similarly. And so we can be best
friends. And we're like, really,

like so honest with each other,
share everything. He's like, I

usually just say this with my
boys. I don't know why I'm

telling you. And I was like,
You're welcome. Hello. So we can

be best friends. He's like, the
second is we could be business

partners. He's so business
savvy, like wildly intelligent,

and an executor, visionary and
operator delegator, just

incredible. And or we could be
life partners. And you know, we

could get married and have a
family and live life together.

So those were the three and it
was like our second or third

date. It was our second date.
And he shared that. And it was

like, Okay, and so in the letter
I said, you know, I realized

that in this lifetime, we are
not meant to be lovers. We are

not meant to be life partners.
So I want to ask, you know, can

we be best friends? Can we be
business partners, and I know

you don't want to hear this, and
you're gonna be like, hell no.

However, I'm gonna take us back
to our second date and say, you

know, can we create this
possibility and still love on

each other, appreciate each
other and be there for each

other. So I write this breakup
letter, and I come back home a

few days later, and we're
sitting on the couch, and I'm

like, I wrote you a letter. And
he's like, Oh, my gosh, and then

I was like, I would like you to
read it. And he's like, oh, and

he's like, Oh, this isn't a
breakup letter. Ha, ha, ha. And

I was like, oh, ciao. And I was
like, Okay. He starts reading

it. And he's like, okay. Okay.
It's a breakup letter. And so he

says, Are you open to an
exercise? And I was like, Nah, I

mean, it's not going to change
the outcome. I'm like, no, he's

like, Are you open to an
exercise? And I was like, Okay.

He's like, okay, and then I had
my like, easel and my, like,

little white notepad set up in
the living room, where do my

business doodles, and he's like,
can we use that? And he's like,

I've never used one of those
before. How do we use it? And

I'm like, This man. He doesn't
most complicated things. And

then certain things. He's like,
how do we and I'm like, It's

because your boss and you
operate your home. Because your

play command and worlds. And so
I'm like, just bring it to the

couch. We'll do it right here.
So brings the easel right here.

We're sitting on the couch, and
he draws a tee on it. And then

he puts plus and negative, he
hands me a green marker, he

takes the black marker, and he
says, Okay, write something you

love about us on the left side.
And so I wrote down our

conversations, they're
illuminating. They're inspiring.

They're long, they're fun. And
then he writes down, laughing,

you know, we laugh, like 90% of
the time that we're together. I

feel like I'm a little kid when
I'm with you. And then I paused

and I was like, Okay, if we keep
on this, we're gonna end on the

negative note. So maybe we
should shift to the negative

side and write down what are the
the gaps we see in the

relationship. So then I write
mine down. And it's something

that you know, we both shared
that we need to work on that I

see as an ingrained part of my
personality. You know, my

personal reality. And so to me,
this is like almost like

unchangeable because I'm like, I
mean, this is this is me, and

that's you and I, we can't we
can't change this. We can't fix

it. So I was like, there it is.
And then he writes one and I

wrote one. And then he wrote,
he's like, I can't think of

anything else. And then I'm
like, why not a few more if you

cool with that? And then, you
know, and I'm like, okay, cool.

And the important thing about
this exercise that I learned is

it was easy to sometimes we look
at the symptom. And we could

have written down symptoms, when
in reality, there's a root cause

there's like, a root, whether
it's a way of being, right. And

so when I told him, I was like,
let's make sure let's because he

was about to write something
else, like, Oh, hold on, no,

that's a symptom. That's, that's
not the root cause. And it's not

about the symptom, because if we
don't address the root cause,

then he's gonna show up in a
different way and a different

symptom. So we were really
careful about okay, what are the

foundational root causes that
might be part of our

personality? changeable?
Exactly. So did that and then

this side, the plus side was way
long, okay. And so we sat there,

he's like, Okay, let's take a
look at this. And he's like, all

these things. I'm gonna change
them. And he's like, and I'm not

changing them for you. I'm
changing them for me, because

actually, you're the first woman
who has called me out on this.

Like, you're the first woman who
has said, yes, you're ambitious.

And also, I noticed that you can
be dissatisfied, that you're not

there yet, and project that
pressure onto others. Other

women have, you know, glorified
me for my ambition and didn't

realize like, there's also this
dissatisfaction that was coming

with it. So I want to change
that. Thank you for calling that

out. And whether we're together
or not, I'm gonna change that

anyway. Because that's in
service of my highest self. And

what I found was the things we
wrote down on the quote unquote,

negative side, were things that
were really in service of us as

individuals in becoming our
highest selves. It wasn't me

choking on your letter.

Right, exactly. Exactly. So he
committed, he's like, I commit,

Consider it done. It's, it's
already transformed. And I was

like, Are you he's like, Yeah,
and like, Okay, well, I'm

willing to change this one, sort
of, but yeah, I can. And I was

like, Well, yes, I commit to
this one. And that was it. And

he's like, Okay, can we create,
so we did break up, that's the

catch, we broke up with that one
version of our relationship. Or

breakup letter was perfect. We
broke up with that version of

us. And now we're inviting in,
and we are welcoming the new

version of us in this new
relationship that we're

creating. So what I realized is,
there is this belief I had that

if it feels difficult, I will
not have the conversation about

it. And instead, I will run
away. And I have met someone and

been in spaces with someone who
is not afraid of that. And he's

like, let's talk about it, put
it, lay it out, put it out on

the table, let's talk about it.
Let's excavate it. And I will be

self aware. And I'll name it and
then I'll work on improving it.

And he invites me to do the same
holds me accountable and says,

Is this in service of your
higher self? What does that look

like? So I'm like, okay, so that
is a recent truth that has been

You spoke earlier in the episode
about really having to

strengthen the muscle of
listening to your inner voice,

instead of listening to someone
else's, that similar to me of

like, I've always had to ask
myself, like, is this God? Or is

this my ego? How did you know in
that moment, that that wasn't?

Because sometimes we'll get in
like, we'll start, we'll start

protecting ourselves of like,
I'm not trying to hear your

opinion, because I'm married to
mine. How did you know that this

was you were accepting feedback
and criticism was still honoring

your inner voice. It was

a simple question. Is this in
service of my highest self? Is

this helping me be fully self
expressed? The answer was yes.

And that's all you want at your
core of life. Everything else?

It's attracted because of that.
Amen. Oh, good. Thank you. Thank

you for sharing your truth. And
your time travel, asking thank

you for letting me be on the
interview seat. This is fun.

Thank you for letting me be in
the interviewee seat.

You're welcome. So where can
your lovely guest learn more

about you and find you right
now? We're,

I'm glad you asked because I'm
talking to so where are you? You

can find me at since three
thousand.com right here where

you are listening to this and or
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